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		By: willful knowledge		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-285969</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willful knowledge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 19:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a corollary to &#034;“Too little attention has been paid to the fact that electoral politics lures disordered, Messianic personalities into positions of power.”. If someone wants to be elected they probably shouldn&#039;t be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a corollary to &quot;“Too little attention has been paid to the fact that electoral politics lures disordered, Messianic personalities into positions of power.”. If someone wants to be elected they probably shouldn&#039;t be.</p>
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		By: asn		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-277204</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 09:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What the first paragraph describes is common psychopaths. In my opinion, the great evils in this world flows from a hierarchy dominated by psychopathy and humans with other mental conditions that are attracted to this power and moral structure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the first paragraph describes is common psychopaths. In my opinion, the great evils in this world flows from a hierarchy dominated by psychopathy and humans with other mental conditions that are attracted to this power and moral structure.</p>
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		By: Mark E. Jeftovic		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-275564</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark E. Jeftovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2026 01:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-275554&quot;&gt;Tannenhuffer&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG Tannanhuffer!

The wonders never cease.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-275554">Tannenhuffer</a>.</p>
<p>OMG Tannanhuffer!</p>
<p>The wonders never cease.</p>
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		By: Tannenhuffer		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-275554</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2026 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t always agree with Mark. When I do he&#039;s right:)

 I specially like this part. &#034;a new class of irregular sovereigns will appear on our planet, an evolutionary prototype designed to oppose Luciferian predation&#034; 

My guess is these sovereigns appear from the East as the west and capitalism as practiced today is incapable of defeating a strong social construct of organization. The west will lose because if it don&#039;t make money then its a no go. Perfect example is Rare earth refining. The west is easily 50 years behind the east. Their reliance on the free market myth is their primary undoing, among many reasons. The only metric the west leads in is murdering children and other humans. Thats it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t always agree with Mark. When I do he&#039;s right:)</p>
<p> I specially like this part. &quot;a new class of irregular sovereigns will appear on our planet, an evolutionary prototype designed to oppose Luciferian predation&quot; </p>
<p>My guess is these sovereigns appear from the East as the west and capitalism as practiced today is incapable of defeating a strong social construct of organization. The west will lose because if it don&#039;t make money then its a no go. Perfect example is Rare earth refining. The west is easily 50 years behind the east. Their reliance on the free market myth is their primary undoing, among many reasons. The only metric the west leads in is murdering children and other humans. Thats it.</p>
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		By: J.Noone		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-274090</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 15:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great piece, Mark. Fun comments, all.
Can we all agree to stop referencing these tropes as &#034;elites?&#034;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Mark. Fun comments, all.<br />
Can we all agree to stop referencing these tropes as &quot;elites?&quot;</p>
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		By: M.S.R.		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-273396</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2026 18:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Tucker was circling around, and what this article is attempting to articulate in modern language, is not simply criminality, nor even conspiracy in the conventional sense, but a pattern of consciousness that appears to organise itself through power. When he speaks of a predator evolving from humanity, he frames it in Darwinian terms, but what he is really describing is a shift in orientation, a way of being that treats other human beings not as ends in themselves but as fuel.

In my own work I have written about the distinction between clay and fire as archetypes, not as fantasy, but as psychological and spiritual categories. Clay represents the human being anchored in conscience, empathy, and moral restraint. Fire represents a consciousness that is intelligent, strategic, often brilliant, yet detached from remorse and uninterested in the suffering it causes. When Tucker imagines a class that grows stronger as others weaken, that absorbs vitality without feeling pain, he is describing what happens when fire nature dominates without the tempering influence of conscience.

The “Thing That Points Beyond Itself” in the article is a useful phrase because it captures something transpersonal. The Epstein network is not important because of any one individual’s depravity. It is important because it reveals architecture. When incentives, secrecy, leverage, and immunity fuse, they begin to behave like a living system. That system recruits, protects its own, and punishes exposure. It feeds on silence and complicity. In my book I refer to these as egregores, collective structures of belief and power that take on a life beyond any single participant. They are not supernatural myths but emergent organisms formed from shared intention and institutional reinforcement.

Tucker’s language of devouring is particularly striking. The idea that identity must be broken to release energy is not merely occult imagery. Psychologically, it aligns with trauma bonding and blackmail. Shared transgression becomes glue. Ritualised humiliation becomes leverage. When elites participate in acts that would destroy them if revealed, they are bound to one another in mutual vulnerability. The ritual is not about theatre for its own sake. It is about control. Once someone is compromised, they are owned.

For years many of us relied on Hanlon’s Razor, assuming incompetence where others saw conspiracy. But incompetence does not explain coherence. It does not explain why certain narratives are pushed in unison across media, academia, and politics. It does not explain why institutions repeatedly protect the same class of actors. Stupidity is common, but sustained alignment of incentives across domains suggests design, or at least optimisation. Systems evolve toward what they reward. If a system rewards ruthlessness, insulation from consequence, and capacity for moral detachment, then those traits will rise to the top.

The article’s “3M’s” of Malthusianism, misanthropy, and Marxism are better understood as surface expressions of a deeper inversion. When humanity is reframed as a problem, reduction becomes virtue. When empathy is weaponised into “suicidal compassion,” self erasure becomes moral. When euthanasia, abortion, and mass psychological manipulation are normalised under the banner of progress, the line between care and consumption blurs. In my book I describe this as the migration of fire into the architecture of culture. It does not announce itself as evil. It presents as enlightened, rational, and compassionate while quietly draining vitality from the very people it claims to serve.

The Club, as the article calls it, naturally gravitates toward the apex of institutions because power concentrates there. If you wished to feed without consequence, you would not live at the margins. You would inhabit media where narrative defines reality. You would inhabit finance where debt structures bind populations. You would inhabit governance where law becomes shield rather than standard. Predatory consciousness does not hide in the powerless. It embeds in the levers.

What makes the Epstein case symbolic is not merely its depravity but its immunity. The pattern of protection reveals how deeply the network is integrated into institutional life. It shows how leverage, ritual, and legitimacy intertwine. Once you accept that, the question shifts from how this could happen to how long it has been operating and how many structures are entangled.

The article speculates about a coming fragmentation, a splintering of centralised authority into irregular sovereignties. That is plausible. When legitimacy erodes, vacuum forms. However, decentralisation alone does not guarantee freedom. Without moral grounding, new authorities can replicate the same predatory logic at smaller scales. Fire can decentralise as easily as it can centralise.

The deeper conflict is not evolutionary in the biological sense but archetypal. It is the tension between conscience and appetite, between empathy and domination, between stewardship and extraction. A society optimised for extraction will inevitably elevate those least burdened by remorse. But that does not mean conscience disappears. The anger many feel upon recognising these patterns is itself evidence that moral intuition remains intact.

Tucker framed his thesis as a thought experiment. The article frames it as emerging reality. My view is that this pattern has existed for a very long time, adapting to each era’s infrastructure. In the industrial age it expressed through linear hierarchies. In the network age it expresses through distributed nodes, data control, and narrative engineering. The form changes. The impulse does not.

The crucial question is not whether predatory spirituality exists. It is whether individuals recognise the dynamics at work and refuse to internalise them. Systems feed on participation. They require silence, consent, distraction, or despair. When enough people withdraw psychological allegiance, the egregore weakens. When enough people refuse to be devoured economically, spiritually, and cognitively, its growth stalls.

The Club may believe it is ascending toward godhood, but history shows that systems built on consumption of their own base eventually hollow themselves out. Fire without restraint consumes its fuel and then collapses. The future may involve fragmentation, competing sovereignties, and instability, but it will also involve a reckoning with the limits of predation.

The article senses that something sits behind the visible actors. I agree. But the answer is not fatalism. It is clarity. When you understand that certain structures are optimised for devouring, you can choose not to romanticise them, not to legitimise them, and not to model yourself after them. The real resistance is not theatrical outrage but disciplined refusal to participate in the logic of consumption. That is where the balance between clay and fire is decided, not in secret chambers, but in ordinary decisions made every day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Tucker was circling around, and what this article is attempting to articulate in modern language, is not simply criminality, nor even conspiracy in the conventional sense, but a pattern of consciousness that appears to organise itself through power. When he speaks of a predator evolving from humanity, he frames it in Darwinian terms, but what he is really describing is a shift in orientation, a way of being that treats other human beings not as ends in themselves but as fuel.</p>
<p>In my own work I have written about the distinction between clay and fire as archetypes, not as fantasy, but as psychological and spiritual categories. Clay represents the human being anchored in conscience, empathy, and moral restraint. Fire represents a consciousness that is intelligent, strategic, often brilliant, yet detached from remorse and uninterested in the suffering it causes. When Tucker imagines a class that grows stronger as others weaken, that absorbs vitality without feeling pain, he is describing what happens when fire nature dominates without the tempering influence of conscience.</p>
<p>The “Thing That Points Beyond Itself” in the article is a useful phrase because it captures something transpersonal. The Epstein network is not important because of any one individual’s depravity. It is important because it reveals architecture. When incentives, secrecy, leverage, and immunity fuse, they begin to behave like a living system. That system recruits, protects its own, and punishes exposure. It feeds on silence and complicity. In my book I refer to these as egregores, collective structures of belief and power that take on a life beyond any single participant. They are not supernatural myths but emergent organisms formed from shared intention and institutional reinforcement.</p>
<p>Tucker’s language of devouring is particularly striking. The idea that identity must be broken to release energy is not merely occult imagery. Psychologically, it aligns with trauma bonding and blackmail. Shared transgression becomes glue. Ritualised humiliation becomes leverage. When elites participate in acts that would destroy them if revealed, they are bound to one another in mutual vulnerability. The ritual is not about theatre for its own sake. It is about control. Once someone is compromised, they are owned.</p>
<p>For years many of us relied on Hanlon’s Razor, assuming incompetence where others saw conspiracy. But incompetence does not explain coherence. It does not explain why certain narratives are pushed in unison across media, academia, and politics. It does not explain why institutions repeatedly protect the same class of actors. Stupidity is common, but sustained alignment of incentives across domains suggests design, or at least optimisation. Systems evolve toward what they reward. If a system rewards ruthlessness, insulation from consequence, and capacity for moral detachment, then those traits will rise to the top.</p>
<p>The article’s “3M’s” of Malthusianism, misanthropy, and Marxism are better understood as surface expressions of a deeper inversion. When humanity is reframed as a problem, reduction becomes virtue. When empathy is weaponised into “suicidal compassion,” self erasure becomes moral. When euthanasia, abortion, and mass psychological manipulation are normalised under the banner of progress, the line between care and consumption blurs. In my book I describe this as the migration of fire into the architecture of culture. It does not announce itself as evil. It presents as enlightened, rational, and compassionate while quietly draining vitality from the very people it claims to serve.</p>
<p>The Club, as the article calls it, naturally gravitates toward the apex of institutions because power concentrates there. If you wished to feed without consequence, you would not live at the margins. You would inhabit media where narrative defines reality. You would inhabit finance where debt structures bind populations. You would inhabit governance where law becomes shield rather than standard. Predatory consciousness does not hide in the powerless. It embeds in the levers.</p>
<p>What makes the Epstein case symbolic is not merely its depravity but its immunity. The pattern of protection reveals how deeply the network is integrated into institutional life. It shows how leverage, ritual, and legitimacy intertwine. Once you accept that, the question shifts from how this could happen to how long it has been operating and how many structures are entangled.</p>
<p>The article speculates about a coming fragmentation, a splintering of centralised authority into irregular sovereignties. That is plausible. When legitimacy erodes, vacuum forms. However, decentralisation alone does not guarantee freedom. Without moral grounding, new authorities can replicate the same predatory logic at smaller scales. Fire can decentralise as easily as it can centralise.</p>
<p>The deeper conflict is not evolutionary in the biological sense but archetypal. It is the tension between conscience and appetite, between empathy and domination, between stewardship and extraction. A society optimised for extraction will inevitably elevate those least burdened by remorse. But that does not mean conscience disappears. The anger many feel upon recognising these patterns is itself evidence that moral intuition remains intact.</p>
<p>Tucker framed his thesis as a thought experiment. The article frames it as emerging reality. My view is that this pattern has existed for a very long time, adapting to each era’s infrastructure. In the industrial age it expressed through linear hierarchies. In the network age it expresses through distributed nodes, data control, and narrative engineering. The form changes. The impulse does not.</p>
<p>The crucial question is not whether predatory spirituality exists. It is whether individuals recognise the dynamics at work and refuse to internalise them. Systems feed on participation. They require silence, consent, distraction, or despair. When enough people withdraw psychological allegiance, the egregore weakens. When enough people refuse to be devoured economically, spiritually, and cognitively, its growth stalls.</p>
<p>The Club may believe it is ascending toward godhood, but history shows that systems built on consumption of their own base eventually hollow themselves out. Fire without restraint consumes its fuel and then collapses. The future may involve fragmentation, competing sovereignties, and instability, but it will also involve a reckoning with the limits of predation.</p>
<p>The article senses that something sits behind the visible actors. I agree. But the answer is not fatalism. It is clarity. When you understand that certain structures are optimised for devouring, you can choose not to romanticise them, not to legitimise them, and not to model yourself after them. The real resistance is not theatrical outrage but disciplined refusal to participate in the logic of consumption. That is where the balance between clay and fire is decided, not in secret chambers, but in ordinary decisions made every day.</p>
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		By: daisy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2026 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Undying Gratitude for such weighty Article. 

Cannot thank you enough <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f490.png" alt="💐" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f525.png" alt="🔥" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3c6.png" alt="🏆" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764-fe0f-200d-1f525.png" alt="❤️‍🔥" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/203c.png" alt="‼" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undying Gratitude for such weighty Article. </p>
<p>Cannot thank you enough 💐🔥🏆❤️‍🔥‼️</p>
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		By: n0t ok boomer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 02:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This planet is run like a whorehouse casino and the people that run it are gangster&#039;s. The whole planet is a crime scene. What do gangster&#039;s do with crime scenes? They burn them down and collect the insurance money.
 In order to create a new world order you have to destroy this one. Sadly they&#039;ll get the serfs to do it for them. 
When the 4th turning grinds to a halt i think we&#039;ll find techno Fascist Neo feudalism as the default operating system.
15 minute ghetto , gulag panoptic bounce house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This planet is run like a whorehouse casino and the people that run it are gangster&#039;s. The whole planet is a crime scene. What do gangster&#039;s do with crime scenes? They burn them down and collect the insurance money.<br />
 In order to create a new world order you have to destroy this one. Sadly they&#039;ll get the serfs to do it for them.<br />
When the 4th turning grinds to a halt i think we&#039;ll find techno Fascist Neo feudalism as the default operating system.<br />
15 minute ghetto , gulag panoptic bounce house.</p>
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		By: Melchizedek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melchizedek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 03:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-272727&quot;&gt;Pitcher&lt;/a&gt;.

That’s exactly what they are. Three groups actually though the Third Most High consciousness mostly observes and has only begun to move and intervene. The main event is between Luciferian and Molochian (Satanist) see my comments below. It should be increasingly clear two major elite groups are at war with one another. Because it is consciousness based rather than about national boundaries it is hard to parse out if you think in black and white, or materialist terms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-272727">Pitcher</a>.</p>
<p>That’s exactly what they are. Three groups actually though the Third Most High consciousness mostly observes and has only begun to move and intervene. The main event is between Luciferian and Molochian (Satanist) see my comments below. It should be increasingly clear two major elite groups are at war with one another. Because it is consciousness based rather than about national boundaries it is hard to parse out if you think in black and white, or materialist terms.</p>
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		By: Melchizedek		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 01:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-272730&quot;&gt;Pitcher&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes transmutation and also reincarnation. We are in the beginning stages of a Bottleneck event(s). Yes it simply changes forms or better put remains locked in the lower Yugas via reincarnation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bombthrower.com/the-epstein-egregore/#comment-272730">Pitcher</a>.</p>
<p>Yes transmutation and also reincarnation. We are in the beginning stages of a Bottleneck event(s). Yes it simply changes forms or better put remains locked in the lower Yugas via reincarnation.</p>
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