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		By: Mark E. Jeftovic		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-70512</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark E. Jeftovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-70502&quot;&gt;Martin&lt;/a&gt;.

If you don&#039;t have the funds to pay for something now (or you do have them but you decide to borrow against it instead) you are committing to settle at some future point instead of now. But you are consuming the service or acquiring the good in the present. That most certainly is borrowing from the future. It&#039;s literally what the word &quot;obligation&quot; means, which is the word you should have all-capped. MMT tries to use rhetoric and accounting gimmicks to gloss over this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-70502">Martin</a>.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have the funds to pay for something now (or you do have them but you decide to borrow against it instead) you are committing to settle at some future point instead of now. But you are consuming the service or acquiring the good in the present. That most certainly is borrowing from the future. It&#8217;s literally what the word &#8220;obligation&#8221; means, which is the word you should have all-capped. MMT tries to use rhetoric and accounting gimmicks to gloss over this.</p>
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		By: Martin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 05:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No - you are NOT borrowing from the future. Debt is an obligation to pay SOMEONE. That is not what a government deficit under MMT is. It 
The value of the currency is ultimately underpinned by the production of goods and services in the economy - the relationship between the respective quantities of production and money is what decides inflation.  So if supply of capacity increases in future then you dont need to worry about taxing future generations or whatever it is you had in mind when you wrote this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; you are NOT borrowing from the future. Debt is an obligation to pay SOMEONE. That is not what a government deficit under MMT is. It<br />
The value of the currency is ultimately underpinned by the production of goods and services in the economy &#8211; the relationship between the respective quantities of production and money is what decides inflation.  So if supply of capacity increases in future then you dont need to worry about taxing future generations or whatever it is you had in mind when you wrote this.</p>
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		By: Chuck Pergiel		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-62821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Pergiel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 21:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no date at the top of this article. I had to follow the link to Medium to find out when it was published. Yes, there is a date at the bottom but that&#039;s a bad place for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no date at the top of this article. I had to follow the link to Medium to find out when it was published. Yes, there is a date at the bottom but that&#8217;s a bad place for it.</p>
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		By: vic		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-1864</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 14:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[all that first year student hot air and strangely you got the taxation all wrong. Ya big dope!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all that first year student hot air and strangely you got the taxation all wrong. Ya big dope!</p>
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		By: aj		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-1338</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2019 06:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;... It is essentially the argument that significant sovereign debt is a good thing, not a bad thing, and that budget balancing efforts on a national scale do much more harm than good. ...&quot;   NO!  NO!  pure fiat need *never be issued* with debt attached.  MMT would replace all government debt.  There would be no need to collect taxes, UBI could be accommodated, student loans could be paid, infrastructure could be built, education and medical care could be paid.  The best thing about any monetary system is the circulation of that money.  We have a very low velocity of money under the current system, while there is a large need for money for consumers of many different types of goods and services, there are many needs going unmet.  Money is hoarded by the wealthy who bid up asset prices, and there is no such thing as trickle down.  Government money spent into existence can be retired as individual members of the society die off. I cede any argument you would like to make about using it for external purposes such as trade. I posit that people might be more receptive to immigration if they did not feel they would have to support those people, who should be supported on their own labor.  Soooo many articles out here in cyberpsace that just really really don&#039;t want to deal with this issue.  Either people really don&#039;t understand it, or there is really that much propaganda against it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; It is essentially the argument that significant sovereign debt is a good thing, not a bad thing, and that budget balancing efforts on a national scale do much more harm than good. &#8230;&#8221;   NO!  NO!  pure fiat need *never be issued* with debt attached.  MMT would replace all government debt.  There would be no need to collect taxes, UBI could be accommodated, student loans could be paid, infrastructure could be built, education and medical care could be paid.  The best thing about any monetary system is the circulation of that money.  We have a very low velocity of money under the current system, while there is a large need for money for consumers of many different types of goods and services, there are many needs going unmet.  Money is hoarded by the wealthy who bid up asset prices, and there is no such thing as trickle down.  Government money spent into existence can be retired as individual members of the society die off. I cede any argument you would like to make about using it for external purposes such as trade. I posit that people might be more receptive to immigration if they did not feel they would have to support those people, who should be supported on their own labor.  Soooo many articles out here in cyberpsace that just really really don&#8217;t want to deal with this issue.  Either people really don&#8217;t understand it, or there is really that much propaganda against it.</p>
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		By: Julian Potter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Were an MMT system inevitably go awry, the outward manifestation would be of course manifest as inflation, so central planners would of course try to get ahead of it by draining more liquidity, faster, by increasing taxes.&quot;

We already have an &quot;MMT system&quot;. When inflation manifests, those scary &quot;central planners&quot; invariably raise interest rates and reserve reqs. They can also sell bonds to shrink the money supply, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware (&quot;stealing from the future&quot; in the process!). I don&#039;t see how those monetary tools will vanish if an AOC becomes Prez. 
And given that the examples of hyperinflation are all exceptional extreme cases of either zero productivity or rapidly declining economies (John Law, Zim, Venez, Weimar), we also need to assume that a massive supply side shock has bowled over the national economy and the &quot;MMT system&quot; is trying to fix it by pumping new money into it (which is patently false, MMT academics recommend shrinking the money supply under those conditions, prior to inflation, using monetary policy as now).

&quot;when you rack up debt you are either borrowing or stealing from the future&quot;

Money initially has no value. It is only a token. When a govt or a private bank creates new money it is intrinsically worthless. It only gains value when it is exchanged for real goods and services, creating (or rather, measuring) productivity. Therefore it is impossible for a currency issuer to &#039;steal value from the future&#039;, except in the limited sense that interest payments on outstanding bonds deplete a fraction of its current fiscal capacity and transfer it to the owners of the debt, adding to their own private purchasing power. Interest payable, and to whom, should be the focus, not the total debt.

While we&#039;re on interest payable and its social impact: China owns a large share of US bonds. This is a result of US consumption of Chinese goods, itself the result of cheap Chinese labor, which has decimated US manufacturing (amongst other countries). Is it then not fair to say that the US appetite for cheap imports sacrificed its own manufacturing industry and led to a rise in foreign held treasuries, burdening the current Federal budget with interest payments? In this wider view, the restructuring of the US economy toward free trade is what &#039;stole (a small part of) the future&#039;, not the issuing of bits of paper. And if you believe in free trade ideology, total utility is increased regardless.

What about the third of treasuries held by the government? Is it stealing its own future from itself?

The trouble with the reception of MMT is that so many people think it is far more radical than it is, and that is simply because it seeks to empower govt to spend money on the plebs (can&#039;t have that, free lunch blah blah, who ever thought it was a good idea to pay someone to work? what about the American Dream?).

btw I was searching for Benjamin Franklin on money, somehow found your blog entry]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Were an MMT system inevitably go awry, the outward manifestation would be of course manifest as inflation, so central planners would of course try to get ahead of it by draining more liquidity, faster, by increasing taxes.&#8221;</p>
<p>We already have an &#8220;MMT system&#8221;. When inflation manifests, those scary &#8220;central planners&#8221; invariably raise interest rates and reserve reqs. They can also sell bonds to shrink the money supply, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware (&#8220;stealing from the future&#8221; in the process!). I don&#8217;t see how those monetary tools will vanish if an AOC becomes Prez.<br />
And given that the examples of hyperinflation are all exceptional extreme cases of either zero productivity or rapidly declining economies (John Law, Zim, Venez, Weimar), we also need to assume that a massive supply side shock has bowled over the national economy and the &#8220;MMT system&#8221; is trying to fix it by pumping new money into it (which is patently false, MMT academics recommend shrinking the money supply under those conditions, prior to inflation, using monetary policy as now).</p>
<p>&#8220;when you rack up debt you are either borrowing or stealing from the future&#8221;</p>
<p>Money initially has no value. It is only a token. When a govt or a private bank creates new money it is intrinsically worthless. It only gains value when it is exchanged for real goods and services, creating (or rather, measuring) productivity. Therefore it is impossible for a currency issuer to &#8216;steal value from the future&#8217;, except in the limited sense that interest payments on outstanding bonds deplete a fraction of its current fiscal capacity and transfer it to the owners of the debt, adding to their own private purchasing power. Interest payable, and to whom, should be the focus, not the total debt.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on interest payable and its social impact: China owns a large share of US bonds. This is a result of US consumption of Chinese goods, itself the result of cheap Chinese labor, which has decimated US manufacturing (amongst other countries). Is it then not fair to say that the US appetite for cheap imports sacrificed its own manufacturing industry and led to a rise in foreign held treasuries, burdening the current Federal budget with interest payments? In this wider view, the restructuring of the US economy toward free trade is what &#8216;stole (a small part of) the future&#8217;, not the issuing of bits of paper. And if you believe in free trade ideology, total utility is increased regardless.</p>
<p>What about the third of treasuries held by the government? Is it stealing its own future from itself?</p>
<p>The trouble with the reception of MMT is that so many people think it is far more radical than it is, and that is simply because it seeks to empower govt to spend money on the plebs (can&#8217;t have that, free lunch blah blah, who ever thought it was a good idea to pay someone to work? what about the American Dream?).</p>
<p>btw I was searching for Benjamin Franklin on money, somehow found your blog entry</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This brief item explains the missing link which the finest of economists have advocated for a century... Three centuries if you include Benjamin Franklin
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brief item explains the missing link which the finest of economists have advocated for a century&#8230; Three centuries if you include Benjamin Franklin<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&#038;time_continue=149&#038;v=287Cu5me0Og" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&#038;time_continue=149&#038;v=287Cu5me0Og</a></p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would add though that for 300 years there has been a debate about the nature of money. Warren Buffett calls it a claim check on real goods and real resources. If we are shipwrecked on an island, food and tools are of great value, but if we had a suitcase full of gold or money with those real goods and resources - we would have nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add though that for 300 years there has been a debate about the nature of money. Warren Buffett calls it a claim check on real goods and real resources. If we are shipwrecked on an island, food and tools are of great value, but if we had a suitcase full of gold or money with those real goods and resources &#8211; we would have nothing.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2019 02:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a critic I think you gave a very fair and accurate explanation about the key qualities of MMT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a critic I think you gave a very fair and accurate explanation about the key qualities of MMT.</p>
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		By: Simon Jester Jr		</title>
		<link>https://bombthrower.com/the-disturbing-rise-of-modern-monetary-theory-mmt/#comment-1000</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2019 16:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the description, once a black swan catastrophe appears in a sovereignty practicing MMT, the end results are indistinguishable from late-stage socialism, as near as I can see. This may be incorrect, but if so, the moral upshot is this: that MMT is just a socialism shell game, where the means of monetary evaluation is shared rather than the means of production. 

In practice, this just means the thugs have a bigger ratchet to wield from their ivory tower, even while they can afford to let the plebes pretend to have a democracy. We have seen that setup before, in Carthage and modern day China, amongst others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the description, once a black swan catastrophe appears in a sovereignty practicing MMT, the end results are indistinguishable from late-stage socialism, as near as I can see. This may be incorrect, but if so, the moral upshot is this: that MMT is just a socialism shell game, where the means of monetary evaluation is shared rather than the means of production. </p>
<p>In practice, this just means the thugs have a bigger ratchet to wield from their ivory tower, even while they can afford to let the plebes pretend to have a democracy. We have seen that setup before, in Carthage and modern day China, amongst others.</p>
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